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Keep in mind that things might change from things we post here.

Offical page:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/warlords-of-draenor/#characters
(It's us coildn't findEU page but same shit tbh.)
New talents:http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3535-Blizzcon-Day-1-Recap-Level-100-Talents-Press-Kit-Screenshots
(This will be change a lot)
Possible New Raid:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYlIjdj

What do you think bout it?

The best gear raids require 20 people. Which is going to be annoying.

Bringing back old raids for HC. YES PLEASE.

'Player housing type thing' Good but will probably be unused by most (including me)

Player models. ABOUT FF'ING TIME.

Talents look good but as you say, that is one of the main things that may change a hell of a lot before it goes live.

Looks wise, looks pretty epic.

Just hope there is more to it than a zillion daileys and free epics in a box.

But from what I have seen, looks like it's deffo going to be worth the buy :D

I don' link theyr change to 10 man raids.They should have removed lfr leave flex and 10 man and 25 and make new difficulty.

Free lv 90 is bad too.

Can't say a thing bout my talents as they need ptr testing.

We really need to think about rading 20 man if it will be best gear.(But that may change in future).

Ah yes forgot about free level 90. That is terrible, all that will do is give the game more bad players that have no idea about the class they are playing.

Not liking the merge of flex and normal / heroic... But let's see... I just want my regular 10 man!

hmm aint to fond bout the flex normal thingy at all, hope that will change... New talanets look awesome so far atleast for balance as we are kinda fucked when forced to move and only have eclipse for 5spells is shitty as it is atm so that looks good.
new models look awesome.

a free level 90 I dont mind that at all. you have 10 levels to "learn" it and surely if you want to raid you should read up on that toon anyhow...

Housing can be productive, less "grinding" needed hopefully. ill prolly use it or abuse it even.

I think the player housing should have been guild housing instead.

I like the dk talents, but other tank classes have better talentss than dks we get just better aoe dmg

Excited to See what they make of this mythic stuff. If it's just flex=normal normal=HC Hc=mythic... Then I don't see me playing for long in the expansion.

if mystic is the new high end raiding a lot of guilds will disband and they will loose alot of players

Them again, with all the criticizm it's receiving on forums... I won't be surprised if they go away from it.

the beta havent started yet so a lot will change remeber the lock talents and the lvl 90 talents are have the same theme that they had in blizz con but didnt do what they said at release so a lot wil change

atm I feel there will noly be 1 of my lvl 100 talents that is useful for single target which actually might fuck up dps more than it should. since most of our dmg comes from the strike attacks ( heart strike, obliterate, festering strike and scourge strike) and they scale by palgue on target and necrotic plague will fuck up single target dps in aoe fights

but if I will play which I most likly will I will probably not be a goblin anymore cause the goblin sux compared to new undead or orc models

Don't care about anything, if they make raiding like they say, and we're forced to have 20 people to raid Mythic (I.e heroic)... I ain't going to bother with it... That is just stupid. But... Lets wait and see.

What's wrong with 20 people? Don't panic so much about that I say. It means they can focus on a single size for balancing.

#8689212 Hogarella wrote:

What's wrong with 20 people? Don't panic so much about that I say. It means they can focus on a single size for balancing.

If u recall, we scaled down to 10 men cause 25 men was too much pain to organise. We'll never succeed to get about 25-27 players to run mythic.

As normal will be heroic, our raid experience will stop 3 to 6 weeks after release of a raid.
Bref, it feels like the end of our style of guild. Or we tune down our expectation heroic (normal) or we'll stop raiding.

As far as i'm concerned, i may just stop to raid/ play wow. Maybe it will be the good moment to do something else.

/perplex

may run a private vanilla server just for fun and nostalgy.

Agreed with Haz :)

Basicly, the whole raid thing doesn't appeal to me whatsoever. They're removing enchant on certain items, they're removing Hit / expertise ... But adding Lifesteal?! They're removing reforge etc. .. I mean, it's just dumbing it down :( I liked reforging, it gave some options to really maximize your performance.

All in all, from what I've heard and read so far ... I'm not going to purchase the expansion. But! As Wheiler said, beta is not even open yet, a lot can change!

Well tbh they have changed at least 1 stat every exp.Btw. cow where did u read that with hit?

"Itemization
Getting new items should be exciting. Right now it feels like you have to do a lot of work when you get a new item.
Hit and Expertise don't feel like a bonus, so they are now gone!
Dodge and Parry, gone!
Reforging, gone!
Enchanting is still around, but fewer items can be enchanted. There will be more enchant choices for those items.
The number of items with gem sockets will be gone. Only one gem slot per item. Gems are more powerful. Sockets are a bonus that don't count towards item level budget. No more socket bonuses or meta gems.
The stats on armor will now change based on your spec. Plate drops and it will have whatever stats your class needs, no more Intellect plate! No more PvP Priest Healing set and PvP Priest DPS set, just a Priest set.
Jewelery, cloak, trinkets, and weapons will be more role focused and might keep stats.
Armor will become a good tanking stat again, Spirit will be good for healers.
Tertiary stats are bonus stats that can appear on gear that don't count towards the item level budget. Lifesteal, avoidance, sturdiness, movement speed (stacks with other bonuses), cleave, and more.
Item squish is in! All of the big jumps from old expansions and raid tiers will be flattened.
Your relative power won't change, just the numbers. The speed at which you kill things won't change. You can still solo old content."



Taken off http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ a good bit down.

To be fair, all of these things I could probably live with... But the raiding changing is what breaks it for me... Hell, we have a hard enough time getting 10 people at times, how the hell are we going to manage 20? :P

Hit is a shit stat anyway. Completely boring. Glad they are removing it. Same goes for reforging, makes the game dumb. Right now I use addons to tell me what to reforge and gem, so it's boring. These new stats make it interesting to mix gear.

True ... Buit it still made you able to optimize your character that little more, i loved sitting around, playing with stats etc, to just get that little bit more out of my character, even though it could be incredible annoying sometimes :P ..
But still, removing X ammounts of enchantable items?
Removing socket bonuses / gem slots? Now you just go ... Oh, well... I need haste... Slap on haste! Screw the rest :(

Dodge and Parry gone? Now you just need avoidance, and you get everything you need. Sure, these stats were not favored by many anyways as it is... But it just seems, dull to me.
Now there's no longer that subpar item, that you might have to use until you get your new one... All the items you get, will have the stats you need. What happened to different ways of building your character? What if I suddenly wanted to go a crit heavy build, or something? Well, tough luck ... Items have the stats they have!

I'll force myself into being positive, and wait and see what happens further down the road, but as it looks now, I won't bother with the expansion, and probably go back to DAoC or something...
Cause the raiding things are really stupid to me, I always avoided 25 mans, cause I prefered 10 man, not cause of the difficulty or anything, but I just prefered not to have so many people, to rely on but also cause I love the small group sitting around having a laugh / chat ... That has never worked before in the 25 man guilds I were in.

Spirit will be good for healers.
Isn't that truth already?

Removing reforging can be good.Caus now u more ore less just tkae item with higher ilv and reforge ton whatever u need.With no reforges we will be more carefull whic parts are upgreads for us .
Dodge and parry will be 1 stat(as far as i get it).Think that tankis will lake that caus no more crappy dodge.
I only hope there won't be PvE parts with movment speed that would be just retarded.(Only when it would be good if they made boss where u need to race him).
But all off that ight change.
AS far as i remember Mop was realeased round 9-10 motnh after it was announced.And loads of things changed in that time(i can only remember they didn't put new guild lv's but there must b more then that).