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Both poor apps, ilvl quite low (515&511) compared to you, almost no experience in normal.

i'd say no but its up to u

I'd say yes for wlock no for mage but they wouldn't join diffrent guilds i think.
But generally have really bad expe with perisans.
Ofc they are both bad they were made by same person xD.

Yeah, no MOP experience apart from LFR pretty much, which they do point out.

Could be worth a try, thinking ahead for getting ready for 5.4?

Wouldnt say the apps are that bad, though not that great.

Dont think it would hurt to try them out, take them along to normal runs and see what they seem like, if they look promising then can try them on HC fights.

Personally I'd say they can join as social and we will try to get them in now and then, but their gear is pretty low. At this point in the expansion, I would have hoped that they'd at least bought all the valor upgrades available. Also, for example, the lock has only upgraded 3 of his items. In fact, the more I look at these, the more I'm inclined to say no.

I'd say no, we have no use for slackers (I've got that position filled :)

On a side note, what's happening with Frey and his buddies? They seemed keen to join but not heard anything for a few weeks

What we do with them?
Box was complaning bout them yesterday most of us are not happy with their play.

I stand by my original comment above, never had a good feeling about these guys... I'd tell them we are going to leave them as social and it's up to them if they want to stay or find a raiding guild.

Can understand why he complains when we need to tell them several times what to do and still dont listen, or that it takes them 5 whipes to know what soaking means and still not doing it

I know they've only been with us a very short time, but they don't appear to have made any effort to fit in either.