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I think we should review the penalties we have in place for the EPGP system and enforce them again.

Currently we have the following:

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Penalties can be obtained as followed:

1. Not setting calendar status 24 hours before the actual raid gives a penalty of -300 EP
2. Be late more than 5 min after 19.45 without any notification gives a penalty of -150 EP
3. Be late more than 15min after 19.45 without any notification gives a penalty of -150 EP extra
4. Be late more than 60min after 19.45 without any notification gives a penalty of -300 EP extra
5. Not responding to loot pop-up (30 seconds) exempts you from receiving that specific loot.
6. AFKing between pulls/trash without permission gives a penalty of -150 EP
7. Failing for the second time on our agreed strategy gives a penalty of -300 EP.
8. Failing for the third fail on our agreed strategy results in removal from the raid and not receiving standby EP until the problem is fixed.*
9. Failing to pull according to the pull timer gives a penalty of -150 EP

Gear Points are obtained when an item is won using the Mainspec button on the EPGP Loot pop-up. Or if a raider does not have 125stat food when needed a stack will be provided for 150GP.

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Suggestion:

How about we remove the "you are late" penalties. They have never been used at all. I think we should keep and enforce the minus EP for not setting calendar status on-time. I think we should also remove the penalties for failing and/or benching as they always seem to be very situational, it's hard to place a magic rule that covers all of them.

We should add -EP for being late for after the ready check aswell. Otherwise, I think we're ok with the rules, we just need to enforce them strictly, which hasn't been done.

Mayby double the early and ontime bonus and remove the late penalty?

I did like the failing penalty, ppl did focus up after getting -EP for failing. Will keep ppl more focused for mythic.

Other points i agree.

#11378851 Parowar wrote:

Mayby double the early and ontime bonus and remove the late penalty?

Good idea. This is an indirect punish aswell.

#11378851 Parowar wrote:

I did like the failing penalty, ppl did focus up after getting -EP for failing. Will keep ppl more focused for mythic.

I didn't say we shouldn't minus for failing. Just saying that the rule shouldnt be written. Currently we dont enforce the rule that's witten there. That's why. It may also look better for outsiders when they are reading our system.

Just a suggestion however.

#11378851 Parowar wrote:

Mayby double the early and ontime bonus and remove the late penalty?

Please no. I actually despise the early bonus. I struggle to make it on time for raids as it is and to be "forced" to come even earlier is difficult.

I think it should remain as a tiny bonus, essentially a little more EP for some people clearing trash to the next boss for example.


For the other points I think I need to digest them a bit but on the surface it looks OK.

We could just double the ontime then, im fine with the early being tiny.

#11382902 Parowar wrote:

We could just double the ontime then, im fine with the early being tiny.

The early EP being tiny also sounds OK to me. The On-Time EP being doubled sounds like a good solution to the problem that late people aren't being punished currently. It might get more discipline so that we could start properly as scheduled.

If both of you can give one more final confirmation, then we can apply these changes from Wednesday onward.

I've just looked at the penalties and I don't agree with them at all. My main issue with it is the amount of effort we have to go through to figure all these out. 3 different late penalties? Who has the energy to clock watch for those times arriving?

#11386022 Hogarella wrote:

I've just looked at the penalties and I don't agree with them at all. My main issue with it is the amount of effort we have to go through to figure all these out. 3 different late penalties? Who has the energy to clock watch for those times arriving?

Actually the times arriving is logged on TeamSpeak and afterwards added by me on the Attendance google sheet.

But yeah, the suggestion here also was to remove them as they haven't been implemented properly as far as I know. Paro added to that that we should double the On-Time EP to compensate an indirect penalty for those who arrived late (After 19.45).

OK, Changes will be made active. I will add them to the Loot System aswell.