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Im always quite curious as to where hunter dps lies in 10/25man version and always compare myself with top geared top skilled ppl to see how far/close i am to the max of my class.

Blood Legion (world first guild atm according to wow progress) made their logs public (world of logs) and they've been running with one hunter on 25man raids (Dexter). I don't know that hunter, but I think it's safe to say he's very good, and so are the people he plays with. He's also the 7th best geared hunter in the world. Let's see how he performed in their 6/8 clear week 3:

Morchok - 28k, this earned him spot #16
Zon'ozz - 45k, this earned him spot #16
Yor'sahj - 49k, this earned him spot #11
Hagara - 29k, this earned him spot #10
Ultraxion - 37k, this earned him spot #16
Blackhorn - 29k, this earned him spot #18

Is it so damn hard for bliz to make hunter abilities scale ? Aka hunters mark and aspect of the hawk dont scale at all. 2 of the main dps sources. So lets see first raid instance huntersrock because those numbers are " ok " and as the tiers progress huntersfall behind to oblivion. I have an idea , make then SCALE from gear instead , WOW mind blown ;o That along with hunter horible survivabilty and no buffs or benefits brought to the raid makes them perfect canditates for a raid spot !! Imo kick Hoggy and lets get a hunter in :D

Nerf hunters already ffs

Kick me?! You bastard! Only if you get Dexter in though...

I was browsing some of the logs for Blood Legion and it is quite interesting. For example, on Ultraxion (using that because it's as close to tank and spank as you can get)

Power Infusion is being given on cooldown to DPS, time for Keylla to do disc!

The only rogue is giving Trick of the Trade to the DPS and not the tanks.

Not sure if it's just not listed in WoL but I cannot see the hunter casting Misdirection?

I'm sure there's loads of useful stuff in there if you can be bothered to spend the time.

Yeah in most raids rogues are tricksing the DPS, considering since they buffed tank threat to 500% last patch theres even more reasons to do so

U dont see hunters casting misdirection cause its a bad version of the rogue tricks , yes thats right hunter md is worse ;p u dont get any benefit whatsoever other than threat that tanks dont need ;p

In any case i have been checking disc myself and it seems quite nice for some heroic modes altho ...... for other fights its not that good for 10man at all. And considering im playing with hasted holy gear its the worst gear for disc. altho ive started gathering disc parts to be able to switch on demand. As for Power infusion even when i played disc i always gave it to dpsers just not u hoggy !!!! MOUAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

Have they nerfed the OP hunters yet?

Something to put ppl into perspective.
Hunters in bis gear right now are around 11-16 place in most bosses (above the tank yoohoo)
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/fqje9tngxo1om3w0/sum/damageDone/?s=4421&e=4975
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/fqje9tngxo1om3w0/sum/damageDone/?s=4421&e=4975
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/

lets see if this awesome buff can bring em to 8th place (before its nerfed in a couple months again)

/facepalm at lazy bliz

I used to be a hunter, but then I took an arrow in the knee...

Talents

*NEW* Glaive Toss - You hurl two glaives in front of you 30 yards, dealing 1,X damage to all enemies and reducing their movement speed by 50%. The Glaives will return back to you, also dealing damage and snaring targets they hit. If Glaive Toss hits at least 2 enemies in both directions, the cooldown is reset.
Arcane Arrows - Now replaced with Powershot.
*NEW* Powershot -You wind up a powerful shot, dealing 1,X damage to all targets in front of you within 20 yards (width). The damage done is increased on targets further away: 15-30 yards: Double damage, Stunned 1 sec. 30-50 yards: Tripple damage, Stunned 2 sec.
Venom Tipped Arrows - Now replaced with Binding Shot.
*NEW* Binding Shot - You fire a magical projectile, tethering the enemy and any other enemies within 10 yards to the landing arrow. Increases all damage they recieve from you by 15%. If they move 15 yards from the arrow they are stunned for 10 sec (5 sec PvP). (30 yd range, Costs 20 focus, Instant)


Class

Arcane Shot - Now causes 50% (down from 100%) of weapon damage plus 150 (down from 327) as Arcane damage.
Steady Shot - Now causes 50% (down from 100%) of weapon damage plus 145 (down from 316).
*NEW* Disengage - You attempt to disengage from combat, leaping backwards. Can only be used while in combat. Required level 14. (50,000 yd range, 25 sec cooldown, Instant cast)
Multi-shot - Now hits targets for 60% (down from 120%) of weapon damage.
Kill Shot - Now deals 75% (down from 150%) weapon damage plus 421 (down from 921).
Deterrance - When activated, now causes you to deflect melee attacks, ranged attacks, and spells, and reduces all damage taken by 30%. While Deterrence is active, you cannot attack. Lasts 5 sec.
Camouflage - Can now be cast while in combat. Lasts for 6 sec if cast in combat, otherwise, lasts for 1 min.


Marksmanship

Aimed Shot - Now deals 80% (down from 164%) ranged weapon damage plus 641 (down from 1438).
Trueshot Aura - Now increases melee attack power by 10% (down from 20%) and ranged attack power by 10%.


Survival

Black Arrow - Now fires a Black Arrow at the target, dealing 1,051% Weapon damage as Shadow damage to the enemy target. In addition, Black Arrow deals 4,204 damage over 20 sec to the target and any other enemy within the path of the Black Arrow when fired. (40 yd range, Costs 40 focus, No cooldown, Instant cast)
Lock and Load - You now have a 100% chance when you trap a target with Freezing Trap or Ice Trap to cause your next Explosive Shot to cost no Focus, trigger no cooldown and deal double damage. Effect lasts for 12 sec.


New talent calc for Pandas

And before anyone says "oh rofl theyre nerfing even more" the dmg reduction from abilities is part of a an ALLclass tonedown, that was expected with new exp (along with HP tonedown).